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ENORMS Champion Author Colorado Posts:3,014 Points:1,171,335 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 6:48:30 PM Ignore ENORMS Report Abuse Isn't there an insurance company that uses information from a secret box to know if you tailgating and how fast you come to a stop?
Amplion Champion Author Oregon Posts:4,237 Points:1,398,310 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 9:19:55 PM Ignore Amplion Report Abuse BIG BROTHER (BHO) is watching & will get the IRS after you.
Amplion Champion Author Oregon Posts:4,237 Points:1,398,310 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 9:15:51 PM Ignore Amplion Report Abuse NO BLACK BOX & NO COMPUTER
remay Champion Author Houston Posts:4,696 Points:1,654,720 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 8:44:17 PM Ignore remay Report Abuse It might help in those "no fault" accidents when no one can seem to determine who was at fault...
PathfinderSC Champion Author South Carolina Posts:7,165 Points:1,365,980 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 6:24:46 PM Ignore PathfinderSC Report Abuse This would be good if used right, But it won't. It will end up just another tool to screw the people.
OHMS Champion Author Orange County Posts:10,792 Points:1,249,445 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 6:21:08 PM Ignore OHMS Report Abuse we've already got black boxes in our cars; Toyota just seems to have scrambled their data outputs..
gasokie Champion Author Oklahoma Posts:2,302 Points:960,505 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 6:06:30 PM Ignore gasokie Report Abuse Spies? As long as they are not any more intrusive (to privacy) than they are they serve a valuable purpose. Auto safety engineering.
AndyG090 Rookie Author New Orleans Posts:95 Points:198,260 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 5:59:27 PM Ignore AndyG090 Report Abuse ...and it will be paid for by us. Next phase will be a camera.
ops3 Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:1,229 Points:737,025 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 4:56:08 PM Ignore ops3 Report Abuse I don't see anything wrong with idea. They're just not telling all the next few steps> Next: will be a regulation (note,, not legislation) that all auto mechanics will read the codes and turn them over to a combined Federal, State and Local Law Enforcement Agency. Any instance of any speed over the maximum speed limit will be prosecuted to the full extant of the law. Next: this information will be turned immediately over to you insurance company so they can arbitrarily raise your raise retroactively. Next: a federally mandated governor supplied by a manufacturer that contributes the most to political campaigns will be installed on your car at your expense. Next: there will be a link from the gestapo right back to people like me who dare to protest this abomination!!!
DellDude2 Champion Author Nashville Posts:6,778 Points:1,655,110 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 2:32:24 PM Ignore DellDude2 Report Abuse Insurance companies would probably support this.
Michaelsz06 Champion Author Phoenix Posts:5,533 Points:1,115,605 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 2:30:43 PM Ignore Michaelsz06 Report Abuse I will agree with it only if I have a choice if its turned on or not or to have it installed or not..Should not be forced on everyone...Just another way for the government to spy on you...
BEngr Champion Author Illinois Posts:4,268 Points:1,115,605 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 2:21:25 PM Ignore BEngr Report Abuse I didn't see the added cost to a vehicle price? This may be a good thing because if there are no witnesses to an accident, at least this would record the event. The data may provide some valuable clues regarding a defect in the vehicle. Haven't you ever had a problem and even the dealer doesn't believe you.
highdesertman Champion Author Albuquerque Posts:1,199 Points:1,309,435 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:02:45 PM Ignore highdesertman Report Abuse These things can be useful in several ways, including protecting you in the event that you are sued after an accident that was not your fault or ticketed for something that you didn't do. I think that all cars and trucks should be required to have them.
PithyOpiner Champion Author Stockton Posts:12,310 Points:1,172,725 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:00:36 PM Ignore PithyOpiner Report Abuse What do you care who gets the data? What do you have to hide? The data is of no import to you!
bluebird1 Champion Author Toronto Posts:13,418 Points:2,653,005 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:59:53 PM Ignore bluebird1 Report Abuse NOTE: this is not the complete article...its much longer but the link goes to another link to get to Detriot news that's the source...people should watch what they're posting here & post the link to the article itself. Misleading is impression of binring in a black box....we have it today in almost all modern cars. How much is recorded highly depends on how much is computer controlled, but its there to some extent. It is not 'big brother watching' as many say as it cannot be read outside the car (its not the GPS many think of with this) or even the OnStar that can be hacked...it's local. It's also not just good for 'discrepancy in what a driver claims happened and what NHTSA concludes' but also with mfgr & to aid mfgr in determining fixes. Had Toyota opened up its system, it would likely know exactly what is wrong with acceleration rather than guessing & if as open as other mfgr's then wouldn't look so secretive on the investigations. Have not only refused/avoided court order black-box readings but have lied in the past on what is recorded since now showing readings for things in cars few yrs back they said in court cases was not recorded. This is not sowing good faith in customer safety. But article is right...Toyota is still a good co. with good products with recalls becoming avg for a firm all at once. I might even buy a used Toyota down the road, should their depreciation become avg or higher.
theawesome1 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:6,973 Points:1,303,010 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:58:08 PM Ignore theawesome1 Report Abuse Insurance companies are using them also for DUI's & frequent fender benders to save moeny. People get a test before the key will work, if they fail - NO DRIVING. So they borrow a neighbor's car to drive wrong way on freeways to kill folks.
OnEmptyMO Champion Author St. Louis Posts:3,436 Points:1,043,585 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:52:51 PM Ignore OnEmptyMO Report Abuse Who gets access to the data? And when? Might be of great use in a fatal auto crash, but it should not be used for ever little fender bender.
fordfan1 Champion Author Indiana Posts:6,726 Points:1,423,040 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:48:41 PM Ignore fordfan1 Report Abuse There are good things and bad things associated with these so called black boxes. If they can prove that there is a problem with a car or truck they are a good idea. But we don't need big brother always looking over our shoulder either.
my2nd66gto Rookie Author West Virginia Posts:17 Points:904,845 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:46:30 PM Ignore my2nd66gto Report Abuse Sounds like "big brother" to me!!
CISA Champion Author Orange County Posts:4,445 Points:1,102,150 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:44:48 PM Ignore CISA Report Abuse undecided
MidNJ Champion Author New Jersey Posts:4,623 Points:738,520 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:44:00 PM Ignore MidNJ Report Abuse Toyota already has this device in their cars.
adr47 Champion Author Saskatchewan Posts:4,840 Points:1,016,830 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:42:34 PM Ignore adr47 Report Abuse Ok as long as insurance idiots don't use it to screw you.
HailstormCA Champion Author San Diego Posts:5,851 Points:1,073,700 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:39:54 PM Ignore HailstormCA Report Abuse Knowing GM (Gov't Motors) would support such legislation. I, as a private citizen, don't want another intrusion by government, but if only the last few seconds of operation are recorded it could clear up a lot of litigation. That's another area I'm against. Lawyers!
ChuckGVT Champion Author Vermont Posts:4,368 Points:1,226,920 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:39:38 PM Ignore ChuckGVT Report Abuse Completely agree with rick948
rick948 All-Star Author Toledo Posts:550 Points:1,427,525 Joined:Jan 2004	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:37:18 PM Ignore rick948 Report Abuse NOT ONLY NO, but HELL NO!!! This country is turning into a POLICE STATE!!! GET GOVERNMENT OUT OF OUR PERSONAL LIVES!!! It's time to CLEAN HOUSE in CONGRESS!!! Cut congressional salaries and impose TERM LIMITS. Get rid of career politicians NOW!!!
nehemiah Champion Author Portland Posts:3,041 Points:551,690 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:36:54 PM Ignore nehemiah Report Abuse I would put it in my car if I can get paid for it
ajrn Champion Author Toledo Posts:11,997 Points:2,514,465 Joined:Nov 2003	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:36:39 PM Ignore ajrn Report Abuse Current accident scene reconstruction can "manufacture" all the forces in a crash. I agree-- this is just "big brotherish..."
snewwee Champion Author Detroit Posts:6,181 Points:1,250,000 Joined:Sep 2007	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:36:22 PM Ignore snewwee Report Abuse Who cares as long as it promotes and enforces safety aspects.
2granny Champion Author Michigan Posts:7,145 Points:998,425 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:35:53 PM Ignore 2granny Report Abuse Government at work to help themselves.
vizilo Champion Author British Columbia Posts:4,458 Points:2,336,870 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:35:13 PM Ignore vizilo Report Abuse Makes sense
karmadrome Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:1,290 Points:417,855 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:34:15 PM Ignore karmadrome Report Abuse not just no, but HELL NO! (Sieg Heil!)
Goatroper Champion Author Dallas Posts:4,673 Points:911,470 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:33:45 PM Ignore Goatroper Report Abuse Another way to cash in on the per mile tax. Drive more? Then you pay more.
2907 Champion Author Kentucky Posts:1,525 Points:843,590 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:33:38 PM Ignore 2907 Report Abuse NO!
raleightom All-Star Author Raleigh Posts:765 Points:215,710 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:32:52 PM Ignore raleightom Report Abuse Then they'll add drug sniffers, breath analyzers, in car cams . . . . this is opening the door to a whole new revolution of FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS violations ! ! ! No more in car sex folks ! ! ! !
abuck Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:6,247 Points:1,076,875 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:32:03 PM Ignore abuck Report Abuse Unless it is limited to something along the lines of storing only 5 minutes of info, then no. They don't need to be prying into what people have been doing over time.
Sam195 Champion Author San Bernardino Posts:5,750 Points:1,113,925 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:31:55 PM Ignore Sam195 Report Abuse I think I'll stick with my 7-year old vehicle.
mooneagle Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:7,087 Points:1,292,560 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:31:06 PM Ignore mooneagle Report Abuse ok so
AC-302 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:21,253 Points:2,450,715 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:30:30 PM Ignore AC-302 Report Abuse I'm not surprised that Government Motors is in favor of this. It's probably a government initiative. So what does this data recorder consist of? In addition to taking data off the CAN bus, will it also have a 3 axis accelerometer in it? I can see where this might help prevent fraudlent lawsuites against a manufacturer, however.
raleightom All-Star Author Raleigh Posts:765 Points:215,710 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:29:17 PM Ignore raleightom Report Abuse Wholly bat dung folks ! You think the price of oil is running foul . . . . . wait till you see the cost they pass along to you for this nice to have piece of information AND can you imagine what the trial lawyers will do with this when YOU have an ACCIDENT ?????? Wholly bat wings ! ! ! ! ! CAN YOU SAY INSURANCE RATES OVER AND BEYOND
Grismer Champion Author Kitchener-Waterloo Posts:6,258 Points:1,271,445 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:25:51 PM Ignore Grismer Report Abuse In a word, no.
balljars Champion Author Michigan Posts:6,135 Points:1,217,150 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:24:45 PM Ignore balljars Report Abuse Maybe, but need to know more.
ricebike Champion Author New Jersey Posts:7,529 Points:1,416,345 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:24:26 PM Ignore ricebike Report Abuse i don't mind it either way
TRAIN RIDER Champion Author San Bernardino Posts:6,763 Points:2,297,910 Joined:Oct 2004	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:23:34 PM Ignore TRAIN RIDER Report Abuse INTERESTING. GM IS BEHIND THIS BECAUSE IT CAN BENEFIT THEM AND MAYBE NOT THE CUSTOMER. BUT THEY ARE AGAINST THINGS THAT DO NOT BENEFIT THEM THAT ARE GOOD FOR THE CONSUMER.
Jeff1944 Champion Author South Dakota Posts:3,088 Points:677,810 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:22:12 PM Ignore Jeff1944 Report Abuse EDR's appear to be common sense, litigation limiting for fraudulent claims and good business, in my opinion.
johnwinger Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:7,168 Points:1,562,250 Joined:Oct 2001	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:19:41 PM Ignore johnwinger Report Abuse Big brother is watching.
egd Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:6,053 Points:1,722,715 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:17:42 PM Ignore egd Report Abuse yes, good idea
uglytom Champion Author Florida Posts:5,673 Points:1,187,885 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:11:58 PM Ignore uglytom Report Abuse Only if there is a commitment to near instant automatic recall of the model, if a car manufacturing defect is found to be cause!
Baron62nd Champion Author Illinois Posts:4,698 Points:1,224,475 Joined:Sep 2007	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:10:25 PM Ignore Baron62nd Report Abuse If you think your problems are bad, wait until you see our solutions. Love, Your Governement
Bert2010 Veteran Author Columbus Posts:431 Points:184,095 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:06:32 PM Ignore Bert2010 Report Abuse This is a case of big brother versus getting accurate information in disputed accidents. This is hard one. Yet I think the benifits out weight the potential problems. I think cars should have such a device.
Jizme Champion Author Lincoln Posts:7,514 Points:2,438,795 Joined:Oct 2004	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:06:21 PM Ignore Jizme Report Abuse It would solve the cases with Toyota if that did have them.